Basic stage 1?

[customryder]

07 I ordered a set of reinharts true... what else do i need to do? road glide

[Woody218]

Get a Screeching Beagle air cleaner kit, or an Arlen Ness Big Sucker air cleaner kit.

If you do this all yourself, you'll also need a SERT or PCIII for the appropriate map for the ECM.

[MegaGlide]

Stage I air cleaner and a Power Commander or Race tuner.

[route66paul]

I would not buy an SE air cleaner, you want one that has a K&N filter so that you can wash it and reuse it. The SE is good for maybe one cleaning.

A SERT would be great if you are going to build it much, a PCIII is a good choice, too. Have the bike dynoed at a well respected tuner's shop and then only if he will release to custom map to you. You could need it again, you bought it, you own it.

[MegaGlide]

One can buy the parts, with either a chrome or black powdercoat backing plate, then the K&N HD-0800, or a Big Sucker, or a Power Pakk, or....

[Scabbydoo]

OK, all you guys with overworked right wrists, be completely honest with cr.

While a PCIII, S.E.R.T. (Screaming Eagle Race Tuner), DTT or Thundermax may provide more flexibility to tinker along with the likelihood of a better end result, the only thing he must have after adding more air to his new pipes is the (albeit somewhat worthless) "Re-Flash" to the EMC.

[Woody218]

OK, all you guys with overworked right wrists, be completely honest with cr.

While a PCIII, S.E.R.T. (Screaming Eagle Race Tuner), DTT or Thundermax may provide more flexibility to tinker along with the likelihood of a better end result, the only thing he must have after adding more air to his new pipes is the (albeit somewhat worthless) "Re-Flash" to the EMC.

That's true, Scabby, but you said it right, it's a worthless download, and a waste of money, he'd still have a lean-running, hot engine when they were done.

The money spent on that would go a long way toward a SERT or a Power Commander.

[rk custom]

on the third reflash he would have paid for the SERT
IMHO it is money well spent

[Fire46]

I made the re-flash mistake only once. I now have a SERT.

[Geezer-Glide]

I lean towards the Power Commander III. A little less money and easier to setup and adjust, at least thats what those who have them say....

[GrayRider]

Unless you're going to go big bore, there's no need to waste money on a SERT or PC. A simple, inexpensive and easy to install, DFO will work fine. SLOWHOUND sells them.

[phreak]

Unless you're going to go big bore, there's no need to waste money on a SERT or PC. A simple, inexpensive and easy to install, DFO will work fine. SLOWHOUND sells them.

That's what I'm using. Also went with the SE breather and replaced the element with a K&N.

[8-Ball]

OK, all you guys with overworked right wrists, be completely honest with cr.

While a PCIII, S.E.R.T. (Screaming Eagle Race Tuner), DTT or Thundermax may provide more flexibility to tinker along with the likelihood of a better end result, the only thing he must have after adding more air to his new pipes is the (albeit somewhat worthless) "Re-Flash" to the EMC.

that reflash is a piece of crap... don't waste the money that could be use to buy a bigger piece of crap... THE SERT.

If I had it to do over, I'd go with the Zippers ECM with NON proprietary Interface... maybe even the auto tune...

[MegaGlide]

That's what I'm using. Also went with the SE breather and replaced the element with a K&N.
All the parts can be purchased individually, sans filter, then buy the K&N.
More cheaperer, and you don't have the pormetal finish on the backing plate, since you bought chrome or black.

[phreak]

The BBQ black paint sticks to the pormetal pretty good, and it was pretty cheap to do.

[Kfengler]

Take a look at the Doherty Air Cleaner, not real cheap, but it is worth it!

This the setup I put on my bike:
http://www.dohertymachine.com/index.php?cPath=2

This one's a little cheaper:
http://www.dohertymachine.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_27&products_id=22

[LittleBear]

07 I ordered a set of reinharts true... what else do i need to do? road glide

To cancel the order, get a used 02 with a 95" kit and a Carb.

[GrayRider]

Or better yet, take the money for the SERT and endless tunings and convert it a Mikuni.

[LittleBear]

Or better yet, take the money for the SERT and endless tunings and convert it a Mikuni.

I think you are right Gray, $350 for a Mikuni, $300 for an ignition module, a few other parts. Less than a grand and you can actually tune it.
What does a Grand buy an EFI, a SERT and two tunes.

[GrayRider]

I think you are right Gray, $350 for a Mikuni, $300 for an ignition module, a few other parts. Less than a grand and you can actually tune it.
What does a Grand buy an EFI, a SERT and two tunes.
Two potentially BAD tunes.

[LittleBear]

Two potentially BAD tunes.

:roflback: :roflback: :roflback: :roflback:

[LittleBear]

Two potentially BAD tunes.

We should ask 8-Ball. He would know.:Poke:

[GrayRider]

We should ask 8-Ball. He would know.:Poke:

I have my own stories....I tuned the Mik on my WG years ago. Works perfect. My RK goes in this weekend for the 5th tune maybe 4th. Who's counting.

[LittleBear]

I have my own stories....I tuned the Mik on my WG years ago. Works perfect. My RK goes in this weekend for the 5th tune maybe 4th. Who's counting.

And that is why, a ride to FL to have the master do it once would, in the long run, save a lot of money.

I have changed the cam three times with my Mikuni, tuning only cost me $50 for the SE tuning kit with all the needles, pilot jets, main jets and gaskets in it.

[rk custom]

I would never give up my FI for a carb. No matter where you go or what the weather isFI is in tune.

[Fire46]

I would never give up my FI for a carb. No matter where you go or what the weather isFI is in tune.

:iagree:

[harleyjsb]

Customryder got plenty of money to blow.Just ask him he will tell ya'.........:roflback:

[Woody218]

Having FI is like having a woman who always has a smile on her face, she looks good every day, and she's always in the mood for some lovin'...

[8-Ball]

We should ask 8-Ball. He would know.:Poke:

Carb... I'd be a rich man...

[customryder]

this is interesting
http://www.zippersperformance.com/catalogue/showproduct.asp?cat=588&prod=2180

[GrayRider]

GR: Do you have a RoadKing Custom with Real Red paint??

Salesman: Got two still in the box. One EFI and one with a carb.

Diesel: Jump into the 21st Century dad,..go with the FI.

GR: OK, does seem like less trouble.



3 years later,.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Guess the 20th Century wasn't all that bad after all.

[8-Ball]

My brother in law: Just make sure you buy a Carb'd bike.

Me: okay.

Salesman: If you go with FI, you won't have to dink with the choke when riding in the mountains.

Me: okay.



He didn't mention all the other stuff I'd have to dink with...

[GrayRider]

My brother in law: Just make sure you buy a Carb'd bike.

Me: okay.

Salesman: If you go with FI, you won't have to dink with the choke when riding in the mountains.

Me: okay.



He didn't mention all the other stuff I'd have to dink with...

Apparently, he perceived you as a dinker.

[8-Ball]

Apparently, he perceived you as a dinker.

I'd rather be perceived as a prick on a carb'd bike...

[GrayRider]

I'd rather be perceived as a prick on a carb'd bike...

:roflback: You may be half way there.

[8-Ball]

I'd be all the way there had I not been such a prick..

[MegaGlide]

The BBQ black paint sticks to the pormetal pretty good, and it was pretty cheap to do.

And yet, you paid more by buying the kit and paying for a filter you weren't going to use.
Unless you made a killing on eBay with it. :DD
Just trying to save him a few bucks.
Getting to mock you is a bonus.

[LittleBear]

GR: Do you have a RoadKing Custom with Real Red paint??

Salesman: Got two still in the box. One EFI and one with a carb.

Diesel: Jump into the 21st Century dad,..go with the FI.

GR: OK, does seem like less trouble.



3 years later,.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Guess the 20th Century wasn't all that bad after all.

That's what you get for listening to a man who who does not know what the green handle on a fuel pump means.:Poke:

And for you FI boys, I have climbed Pike's Peak twice and Mt Evans once on a carbed bike and never had any issues except with my brakes.

[MegaGlide]

Well, a little change here. I can't get to FL this year, and since I really like what I've heard/read about and from Otto, he's doing mine in the next couple weeks.
Uh, Gray, no Erie trip.
Stan's probably breathing a sigh of relief.
He'll offer to let us stay w/ him now, you watch...

[LittleBear]

I think that is a good second choice Mega. I also like what he writes.
I wish you the best of luck with it.

[GrayRider]

Well, a little change here. I can't get to FL this year, and since I really like what I've heard/read about and from Otto, he's doing mine in the next couple weeks.
Uh, Gray, no Erie trip.
Stan's probably breathing a sigh of relief.
He'll offer to let us stay w/ him now, you watch...

I was tentative anyway.

[MegaGlide]

I was tentative anyway.
No you weren't.
You were champing at the bit, so to speak.

[CDouthitt]

I think we scared the original poster away...he probably said F-it...sold the pipe and the bike, and just got a Goldwing.

[GrayRider]

I think we scared the original poster away...he probably said F-it...sold the pipe and the bike, and just got a Goldwing.

:roflback:

[MegaGlide]

Another satisfied customer.

[LittleBear]

this is interesting
http://www.zippersperformance.com/catalogue/showproduct.asp?cat=588&prod=2180

If you do a search over at VTF, I believe there is a long thread on how to tune one that has been made a sticky. Lots of good info.
Here you go, no need to search.
http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93157

There is also the Daytona Twin Tech which will also auto tune. Read about it here.
http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80203

[harleyjsb]

I think we scared the original poster away...he probably said F-it...sold the pipe and the bike, and just got a Goldwing.

Na.....homie don't scare off that easy..................

[CDouthitt]

Hell, I was thinkin' of selling my dyna with stage 1 and sert after reading this.
:roflback:

[Deejay]

And for you FI boys, I have climbed Pike's Peak twice and Mt Evans once on a carbed bike and never had any issues except with my brakes.

It's good to hear things like this.... I will be fully testing my Mik at all elevations in CO.... this weekend I'm bleeding the brakes.... :D

[Berserker]

And for you FI boys, I have climbed Pike's Peak twice and Mt Evans once on a carbed bike and never had any issues except with my brakes.

When in the higher elevations I can hear the the difference. But don't know if it would run any beter with FI.

My opnion, having never owned at FI, is that the problemis in lack of good tuners. Smeday FI will give you more control and easier tuning.

[Berserker]

Learned that the SERT is mated to the ECM. If the ECM dies you need to buy a new SERT. BS. Everything brakes down. Why should I have to repalce $$ a good part too.

No sert for me, that is if I ever get a FI bike.

[Berserker]

I think we scared the original poster away...he probably said F-it...sold the pipe and the bike, and just got a Goldwing.

I was thinking about 07. But after reading all the FI this weekend, I am a little scared off. $$$. PCIII doesn't seem to bad, but if you want to keep the closed loop and go with auto tuner your talking 8-900. To rich for my blood. Don't know which is better open or closed loop.

May wait for used 07s, maybe get used 88 this winter and build it up, or maybe just buy new tomorrow.

[Woody218]

If you don't like the '07 models, you're gonna like the '08s even less. Catalytic mufflers on every bike!

[Berserker]

If you don't like the '07 models, you're gonna like the '08s even less. Catalytic mufflers on every bike!

I haven't head of any new laws for 08, I though 06 was the year. So are you:whistling:

[harleyjsb]

Didn't have them on my 06 street glide...............




just sayin'

[Scabbydoo]

Not sure but I believe they started in 06 with a couple of models.

[Berserker]

Ya I though touring models had cats in 06.

[LittleBear]

I believe the CA bikes did. But that is just a rumor.

[MegaGlide]

Which models have cats in a particular year is in the big H-D University PDF that comes out at the first of every model year. I am not sufficiently motivated to look it up, but if you want to know, that's where you can find it.

The SERT is married to the VIN, but the dealer programs your VIN into the new ECU, so it's a non-issue. You can use the same SERT.

And '06 was the FIRST year of the PHASE-IN of the new EPA regs. That means it'll continue to get more oppressive until 2010, when the new regs are in full effect.

[customryder]

got the pipes on my dealer says no need to remap inless you change air cleaner? (witch i will)

[Berserker]

Dealer told me slip ons no AC, don't need to remap. Note sure. He as also said all your doing is making noise.

I am damn near positive some touring bikes in 06 had cats. Maybe sporties too, but not positive. Would make since they need to show % of sales are complient. They need the Vrod to do better.

[Berserker]

Which is better keeping the cloed loop or going to PCIII and open loop?