help installing a manifold-please!

[Dippsy]

I bought a woods carb a couple of weeks ago and installed it with an se manifold on a 2000 RK, I thought I checked well for leaks but apparently it was leaking air, I removed it all last night and I want to reinstall it tonight so I am looking for some tips.


is there any special way? I used lots of soap, and it felt tight.
Is there a way to check for leaks before putting it back together?
And whats with the primary side bolts, there a bitch to tighten!

thanks
dave

[Berserker]

Little yamabond, can help. Make sure you got it lined up 1st.
To check spray brake cleaner on while its running, will stumble if theres a leak.

No tricks. Maybe alternate the bolts a little. Just make sure yuou got F and R right. I don't think you can do it backwards.

[Berserker]

Soap Where the leak? I thinking its on the cylnders. Soap just helps slide it on.

[Dippsy]

berserk-I went searching on the other side and found your post about yamabond-also somebody spoke of mounting the carb to the backing plate and aligning it like that, I didn't do that the first time, so I will try those 2 things.

yep the soap
was just during the install, the leak seemed to be on the rear cylinder.

thanks
F&R was correct

[Berserker]

I've always but the manifold on then carb. Not saying its right.

Ball allen helps, 1/4" I think.

I had a leak when I built my 98. 1st time I ever had dyno done, so maybe no 1st leak. I would alternate bolts tightening, thin layey of yamabond wouldn't hurt.

They changed the #, cause of people in CA getting cancer, or to much lead in it when kids ate it. I did a whole bunch of research, and forgot it all. Used it when I put the crank back in my sled this winter. So far so good. Indie sells it, so do some ATV/Sled dealers.

Just make sure you got it one right and tighten down slowly, will be fine. Sometimes you just got to redo things.





Actually, when I did it last time, I though I had it oriented right. Nope, looked right but bolts were tough to start. Fiddle fuced with it until the yamabond started to dry. Was backwards. I can't remember if I used it the 2nd time. But I know some do. I think I put a thin layer on, after cleaning the 1st layer.


Also learned if your gonna oil your crank, don't lay it on side to tighten, all the oil runs out. And its a bugger to clean the stuff off, to start over

[Dippsy]

thanks tonight should be fun-

i took my ball allen and cut it to put it in a socket, still no effin room! used a 1/4 wrench on the tiny piece of allen-and that was to take it off. When I put it on I pulled the tank, but I didn't want to do that again, I got the top motor mount off to get to those buggers.

I will let you know how it works-probably in the am after cussing and knuckle scraping!

[Dippsy]

well, no success trying to find yamabond, so I tried it again, still got a couple of sneezes, the 1/4 wrench that I was putting around the ball allen that I cut down is some crappy thing I found in my tool box, so I will get a good one tomorrow and make sure the back bolts are tight enough, they sure felt it though, I couldn't put the carb on with the backing plate to line it up because there was even less room! One more try and I will succumb to bringing it in to a local indy and have them do it for me......

thanks again:Hurt: :Hurt:

[8-Ball]

thanks tonight should be fun-

i took my ball allen and cut it to put it in a socket, still no effin room! used a 1/4 wrench on the tiny piece of allen-and that was to take it off. When I put it on I pulled the tank, but I didn't want to do that again, I got the top motor mount off to get to those buggers.

I will let you know how it works-probably in the am after cussing and knuckle scraping!

I used a small box end wrench with a 5/8" length of 1/4" allen wrench... had a helluva time until I duct taped the piece of allen to the box end wrench... went great after that.

I found som 12 point stainless flanged intake manifold bolts at a performance shop, It was a dream putting them in until the flange on the bolt hit the flange on the intake manifold. Ending up using the 1/4" allen socket bolts...

I'm going to find someone to turn the flange down on the bolts and use them next time...

[Berserker]

I had no problem with the bolts. 7/16 or 3/8 wrench or some size, twist it onto the shaft of the allen. So it binds.

For Yamabond, try a atv, snowmobile or jap bike place. Indie down the road carries it too.

To make matters worse there are differant types.

Jist got back. I got the ThreeBond 1104. Yellow white box some red lettering. $5.95 TB-1104

[Berserker]

This shouldn't be this hard. Also be sure your not getting brake clean into the air cleaner when you spray.

[Dippsy]

thats the frustrating thing it shouldn't be that hard! I searched and searched last night and saw a snap on tool and went out to the bike and stared at it for a while, I am going to go to sears and try and get a long box end 1/4 inch wrench so I can put the ball allen into it and I think I can get to it with the carb mounted, I really believe thats the problem, tomorrow I can do more hunting for the yamabond, damn work takes up all my time!

its starting to piss me off big time!

I know it still leaks cause when I took it for a quick ride it still sneezed through the carb.
updates to follow.....................

thanks still.......

[Dippsy]

maybe, just maybe I got it???????????

oh please oh please oh please.........

[Berserker]

Well?

[Dippsy]

well, it effin raining, again!, I sprayed the crap out of it in the geerage and no change in speed so I think I might have nailed it, I would love to take it for a ride but that will have to wait till the am.

I bought a set of offset 1/4 ratchets, a 1/4 wrench at sears and was able to mount the manifold with the carb on, I put a very thin bead of red gasket goop on cause thats what I had in the tool box.

So tomorrow will tell if I get the sneezing in the carb

thanks for asking.........

[Dippsy]

the one I went to didn't have it, that might be a purchase tomorrow if it still leaks, thanks....

[Dippsy]

well I took the bike out and barely got a sneeze but I did get one or two, I am going to try and get the yamabond today and give it another go during the week when its supposed to rain somemore.

I must be a real doof not being able to do this

[chnpostal]

Probably a dumb question........but did you also replace the seal between the carb and manifold? Check vacuum line to petcock, or if not in use, cap for vacuum nipple on carb? Just wondering out loud...........

[Dippsy]

Probably a dumb question........but did you also replace the seal between the carb and manifold? Check vacuum line to petcock, or if not in use, cap for vacuum nipple on carb? Just wondering out loud...........

brand new manifold and gasket set-vacuum lines were good and out of the way of the spray.

stupid question but do the manifold to head gaskets have to set at all? the ones I took off were pretty flat where it mated to the head.

[Berserker]

Not sure what you mean have to set, form the manifile to head gaskets. There is just seals from manifild to head.

Also if its not leaking, I would not take it apart to just yamabond it.

[Dippsy]

Not sure what you mean have to set, form the manifile to head gaskets. There is just seals from manifild to head.

Also if its not leaking, I would not take it apart to just yamabond it.

I guess I was just thinking about how crushed (set) the old ones were when I took them off vs how these have looked.

so far so good

[Berserker]

Crushed?

[Dippsy]

maybe I mean flat, I threw them out so I can't refer back, what I meant was since the bike was cycled when it was built did that help to seal the gaskets.

No for the fun-I road the bike it still spit through the carb, not much though, took out my brake clean and sprayed and when I spray at the gasket between the head and piston it also slows down WTF is this! Maybe my manifold is good and the heads need to be retorqued, why did I ever buy this carb....................

[Berserker]

I spray at the gasket between the head and piston it also slows down WTF is this! Maybe my manifold is good and the heads need to be retorqued, why did I ever buy this carb....................

There is a gasket between head and cyliner. Not sure what would happen if leaking here. If it was leaking at the rockers would probably leak oil. This would probably show up as low compression. Can do a compression check.

Be carfeful when spraying cleaner, doens't spray back into air cleaner.


I am not sure what coughing through the carb is telling you either. I don't know if that is a smoling gun, for manifold leak.

[Dippsy]

I thought about it and I think your right if it was leaking in between the head and cylinder I would have an oil leak which I don't have, the bike is still coughing through the carb, I know this thing is on right, I tried to get yamabond today and 2 places were out of it so I ordered it online should have it by mid week, that would definitely rule this out, I don't think the bike is so lean that it would cough the plugs look pretty damn good, I pulled both and checked it against that word doc thats posted somewhere, the timing marks are right on the plug, its color is about 3 threads down, the plugs aren't really tan more to the white side so maybe it is to lean?? I think next week I will pick JD and Scotts brains a little, maybe there is something a miss with the carb and not the manifold, the bike runs great at steady throttle, if I back down the throttle up it hesitates but not always, today was better than it has been.

For now I am not touching it again, a local shop charges 250 to dyno a carb bike and he said it would be between 1-2 hrs to dismount and remount the manifold/carb if he had to.

as I am writing this I am thinking maybe I should remount the mik and see if that spits too. hmmmmmmmmmmm

we shall see..............

thanks for the ideas and input though

[Berserker]

A leak is not good cause it leans you out. But a manifold leak, will be a small percentage of total air at higher rpms, when driving. If stuck idling for a long time maybe. Not that you should not warm your bike up.

Does it warm up good? When I had a leak, it seemed very cold blooded. Cause of to much air.

Dyno prices by you are $$. Was $100 a hour for me, and charge partial hours. 10 minutes he will know if you have a leak, with the sniffer. Make sure the guy can test AF. Wand that goes up tail pipe.

Also, relax.

[Dippsy]

she warms up just fine, runs great, just this damn sneezing through the carb, tomorrow is shot with M'day, so monday I am going to throw the mikuni back on and see how it responds, I know that was not giving me this problem.

Relax Relax Relax.......

[Berserker]

Is coughing a sign of a leak? These bikes just do weird sh&t sometimes. Sticking a wand up its ass will settle it. But I hate bringinmg things in too.

[Dippsy]

I am starting to think I was overdoing the spray crap. I gave the bike a couple of quick shots of starter fluid and nothing happened.

I read and read and then reread the mikuni tuning quide which is where I got the idea that it was an intake leak, they also indicate that a too lean condition will cause this, so I played with the mixture screw on the way to see my mom and wife at the cemetary, and it actually does seem better, still does it but not as bad.

I do believe a dyno is the only way to settle this problem.

jeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................ ...........

and its going to rain all week. hopefully move right the heck out for our ride next weekend.

[Berserker]

on the way to see my mom and wife at the cemetary, and it actually does seem better, .

I hope you mean, you met them there.

[Dippsy]

you could say that, I stood they were laying down.

[Berserker]

Sorry to hear that. I didn't mean to drag it out.

[Dippsy]

its ok, the wife passed 8 years ago, and mom 4 years ago, my life is good and I am happy and have a great gal, my life is great!

[Dippsy]

well the bike still spits through the carb, had a talk with dave over at JD cycles and made an appointment to get my butt over to him and have it sorted out

Thanks
Dave

edit: spoke with dave after work to give him some info on the carb, he had me put my stock ign. module in, then go on to try to throw a different jet in, I put my original module back in the bike and took it for a quick putt, and not a spit at all, I will report back after tomorrows riding, but I am on my way to being happy again.

thanks to dave from dave

[JDsCycleWorks]

Yor welcome Dave, I hope that you have the same results today.
Dave

[chnpostal]

well the bike still spits through the carb, had a talk with dave over at JD cycles and made an appointment to get my butt over to him and have it sorted out

Thanks
Dave

edit: spoke with dave after work to give him some info on the carb, he had me put my stock ign. module in, then go on to try to throw a different jet in, I put my original module back in the bike and took it for a quick putt, and not a spit at all, I will report back after tomorrows riding, but I am on my way to being happy again.

thanks to dave from dave

It was the ignition module causing this? :blink:

Which aftermarket ignition were you running? Curious minds here............

[Dippsy]

It was the ignition module causing this? :blink:

Which aftermarket ignition were you running? Curious minds here............

I was running a dynatek tc88-programmable, I put the stocker in and no more spitting, I was amazed! never thought that for a minute-it was one of daves first guesses-thats why he's a pro!

[chnpostal]

Glad ya finally found it..........at least you know your intake seals are good now..........

Kudo's to Dave at JC's...........

[Dippsy]

Glad ya finally found it..........at least you know your intake seals are good now..........

Kudo's to Dave at JC's...........

anyone need a new set of flanges and gaskets?


Ditto on the Kudos

June 7th we will tune her up again!