5th gear slip????

[SafetyMan]

Tonight (35 degrees) upon leaving the lodge, I noticed it felt like the clutch slipping in 5th gear.

RPMs go up, then the bike "catches" up...

It doesn't do it in 1st, 2nd, 3rd 4th or 6th.

2011 RGU

Thoughts???

[BigTOE]

They all do that... :blink:

[MrSurly]

Clutch adjustment probably just a smidge too tight. It will tend to slip more in the higher gears because the mechanical advantage is not there.

[mongoose]

Fixed fairing problem.

No known cure.

[orbit]

Fixed fairing problem.

No known cure.

Yeah.

Too much downforce on the front end causes the rear end to get light.

Yer clutch ain't slippin', it's yer rear tahr.

[SafetyMan]

Clutch adjustment probably just a smidge too tight. It will tend to slip more in the higher gears because the mechanical advantage is not there.

Then why does it not do it in 4th or 6th?

[MegaGlide]

Then why does it not do it in 4th or 6th?
Who knows, but I agree it needs adjusted as the first step.

['05Train]

Chip, that's exactly what my bike was doing in this thread (http://www.doofclenas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175715).

What RPMs were you having the issue?

[SafetyMan]

What RPMs were you having the issue?

22-2500ish, grab the throttle, it goes to a smidge over 4 grand....

['05Train]

22-2500ish, grab the throttle, it goes to a smidge over 4 grand....

Sounds identical.

My bike is in pieces at the dealer. I'll let you know what they say it is.

Word of warning; it wasn't long after I discovered this that the clutch started slipping everywhere.

[SafetyMan]

Chip, that's exactly what my bike was doing in this thread (http://www.doofclenas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175715).

I just re-read your thread.

That's what mine is doing.

I'm going to adjust the clutch and see what happens.

The only thing that concerns me is that it doesn't do it in any other gear. I understand the mechanicals, but it seems it should do it in either 1 gear up or 1 gear down.

I've got Amsoil ATF in the primary.

Shoud I drop it and put in Drag Specialties Primary Fluid? I've got 3 quarts of it on the shelf.....

[Dinero]

I just re-read your thread.


I've got Amsoil ATF in the primary.

Shoud I drop it and put in Drag Specialties Primary Fluid? I've got 3 quarts of it on the shelf.....

Adjust the clutch first.

Then, if no improvement, try the fluid.

One thing at a time to find the real culprit.

['05Train]

My suggestion.

- Make sure your clutch is adjusted properly.

- Make sure your primary isn't overfilled.

- If it still does it after you check those two things, try the fluid, but mine was doing it with the D.S. fluid.

I'm thinking that there's something mechanical causing the problem. The dealer's closed 'till Tuesday, so I won't have their take on it until then.

[MrSurly]

My suggestion, after the adjustment:

Drain the primary, replace with original HD fluid. This is a brand-new bike, right?

Try to make it slip. If it slips, head straight for the dealer.

['05Train]

My suggestion, after the adjustment:

Drain the primary, replace with original HD fluid. This is a brand-new bike, right?

Try to make it slip. If it slips, head straight for the dealer.

Yeah, that's really the best call.

[Dippsy]

chip along with all the other suggestions, we are all used to putting 1qt of fluid into the primary it takes 38 oz on the new bikes, just a friendly reminder

[BigTOE]

Yeah.

Too much downforce on the front end causes the rear end to get light.

Yer clutch ain't slippin', it's yer rear tahr.

ummm.. :blink: :roflback::roflback:

[SafetyMan]

chip along with all the other suggestions, we are all used to putting 1qt of fluid into the primary it takes 38 oz on the new bikes, just a friendly reminder

Dude...

You're right....


That's 16% light...

:doh:

I guess I'll be dropping the ATF anyways. I don't have any more to put in it.

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

[noodles]

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[Dippsy]

Dude...

You're right....


That's 16% light...

:doh:

I guess I'll be dropping the ATF anyways. I don't have any more to put in it.

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

I've been running mine low for quite a long time, someone on another forum gave me crap when I said I just dump a quart in, then I checked the manual and sure as shit it takes a lot more, I need to buy more to put in my bike too....

[jasilva]

Clutch slip like yours is doing happens when the load and the engine torque line up just right. 4th gear won't do it because the load on the clutch is too light due to the gearing. 6th won't because your not at peak torque. My truck was doing the same thing when I had a diesel leak soak the clutch. Only slipped in OD and only if I punched it hard when I was at 1800 rpm(peak tq.), below that it wouldn't until it hit that rpm and above that it would just pull hard. Do like was suggested and adjust the clutch and get the right fluid in it. Then check it, for all of you that insist on running fluid other than HD recommends, if you have an OEM clutch your making a mistake. Aftermarket clutches use different friction materials so other fluids may be recommended by the manufacturers but that doesn't mean they'll work with the stock friction plates.

[SafetyMan]

I'm gonna go ride for a bit, warm everything up, drop the fluid, refill, and adjust the clutch.

We'll see what happens, and I'm anxious to see what Russ learns from the Stealer. I like going into these things kind of educated, so when I talk to the service writer, I sound like I know what I'm talking about, and he is less likely to try to BS me.

I had a stereo problem, went to Pikeville HD and they treated me pretty good, so they get another chance.

All ready the dealer has done more work on my 2011 than they did on my '07...

['05Train]

Chip, remember not to adjust the clutch on anything other than a stone-cold bike. If there's any heat at all in it, it won't adjust properly.

[Scabbydoo]

....2011 RGU

Thoughts???

Prezactly :Poke:




Oh, and thought that scooter was new :blink:

[sofa king]

Chip, when I left the lodge last night did you see my rear get all squiggly when I hit 2nd gear?


I'm really loving this bub 7, master tune set up!

[Dippsy]

Then check it, for all of you that insist on running fluid other than HD recommends, if you have an OEM clutch your making a mistake. Aftermarket clutches use different friction materials so other fluids may be recommended by the manufacturers but that doesn't mean they'll work with the stock friction plates.

+1 I went back to formula 1 because the amsoil made the compensator sound like it was about to explode

[SafetyMan]

Oh, and thought that scooter was new :blink:



My tires ain't flat.


:coffee:

[SafetyMan]

And if Formula+ is what "they" recommend, why don't "they" put it in from the factory?

[SafetyMan]

Chip, when I left the lodge last night did you see my rear get all squiggly when I hit 2nd gear?


I'm really loving this bub 7, master tune set up!



I saw that.

Ask Paulie what that does to your tire mileage.

:whistling:

[Dippsy]

And if Formula+ is what "they" recommend, why don't "they" put it in from the factory?

I am purty sure the parts guy told me to put in formula 1, I could be wrong though, I just know when I put back whatever he told me it really calmed the vibration down, I though my bike was coming apart with the amsoil motor weight, I still use the amsoil in the motor and tranny.

[MrSurly]

Sounds like you may have warranty work in th near future. Play it safe; don't give them an 'out' by having different lube in it. I'm betting they'd be happy to say it's your fault and on your dime 'cuz you have the wrong stuff in it. No way I'd give 'em that easy out.

CYA...stock HD back in and never even let it slip (hehehe) that anything different was ever in there.

[BigSwede]

When mine went into the stealer for my clutch to be replaced, it had amsoil ATF in it. The service manager took all my particulars and asked if there was anything special I wanted put back into the primary. I just told him standard amsoil 20w50, that I didn't really like the ATF that was in there. All was kosher and no questions asked. He himself said that my problem wasn't related to fluids anyway.......

[SafetyMan]

Well...

I put 38oz. of Drag Specialties Primary Fluid in, adjusted the clutch and went for a ride in the 43° rain.

Seems to be solved.

Thanks for all the thoughts and theories!!!

:DD

[Sonic]

Well...

I put 38oz. of Drag Specialties Primary Fluid in, adjusted the clutch and went for a ride in the 43° rain.

Seems to be solved.

Thanks for all the thoughts and theories!!!

:DD

:woohoo::woohoo:

[Dippsy]

Good news...... I gotta buy some more fluid too

[george douglas]

I am purty sure the parts guy told me to put in formula 1, I could be wrong though, I just know when I put back whatever he told me it really calmed the vibration down, I though my bike was coming apart with the amsoil motor weight, I still use the amsoil in the motor and tranny.

Any time you can get a different result from a fluid and no other bikers are experiencing the same problems then you have to look at logic and logic would say that you had something coming apart or was mis-adjusted and taken care of at the time the new fluid was put in. Hope you got it fixed now.
george

['05Train]

Chip, glad you got it worked out.

George, there was a massive difference for me when I switched from the ATF to the Drag Specialties Primary Fluid. It didn't solve my problems, but the clutch takeup was far better.

[george douglas]

Chip, glad you got it worked out.

George, there was a massive difference for me when I switched from the ATF to the Drag Specialties Primary Fluid. It didn't solve my problems, but the clutch takeup was far better.

With yours it was probably a viscosity issue and the thicker fluid helped some. I would think that with different amounts of wear from one bike to another some fluids will work better. I guess this is one reason we all do a little experimenting from time to time.
george

[Dippsy]

George, I didn't change anything but the fluid, I had 20/50 in the primary, next order from you I will order atf instead of 20/50, I am not convinced that HD, stuff is better, I just wanted to see if there was a difference and there was

['05Train]

I have no issues with the ATF in Vader's primary, but that's a S/E 6-speed with a Barnett clutch.

[Infidel!]

I'm a big fan of synthetic oils, in everything except a primary with a Harley clutch. I know people do, but I'm probably harder on clutches than most and synthetics seem to cause my clutch to slip. Now I use nothing but the overpriced Harley whatever it is in the primary and have had zero problems. Sorry George, I'll buy my engine and tranny oils from you, but not the primary.

Note: This does not apply if you change out your clutch. Use whatever the manufacturer reccomends.

[george douglas]

I'm a big fan of synthetic oils, in everything except a primary with a Harley clutch. I know people do, but I'm probably harder on clutches than most and synthetics seem to cause my clutch to slip. Now I use nothing but the overpriced Harley whatever it is in the primary and have had zero problems. Sorry George, I'll buy my engine and tranny oils from you, but not the primary.

Note: This does not apply if you change out your clutch. Use whatever the manufacturer reccomends.

Thanks for your business and thoughts on this. You can take 100 harleys and put the same fluids in all of them and some will work great and some don't. It all comes down to how they are used and how they are broke in.
george