Switched to ATF in the primary... WOW!

[8-Ball]

Last year I had the Rivera Pro Clutch installed on the scoot and had them use Amsoil 20/50wt synthetic in it. I never felt that it was a smooth grip from a dead start nor was the stock HD or SE clutch... I've had all three installed.

Rivera recommends Automatic Transmission Fluid (Dexron III Spec.) for their clutch but I was told that the 20/50 would work fine.

Last night I changed the oil in all three holes and finally decided to give the ATF a try. I talked to George Douglas of Amsoil fame and he hooked me up with their ATF synthetic.

Rivera says you need to take the clutch apart and wipe the plates clear of the old oil, but the good folks here informed me this would be overkill. So I just got the engine good and warm and drained it, then dumped a quart of the ATF in the primary.

I went for a 200 mile 2 up ride (always hardest to get a smooth start from dead stop) today. It was like a new bike. The clutch engaged smoothly from a stop and engaged very positively. Finally, the clutch feels the way I've always felt it should.

I don't know if you can use ATF in a stock HD clutch, but if you can, I'd recommend switching to it YESTERDAY!

Thought you all might be interested to know.

This has been a public service announcement.

8

[Stone Cold]

Good info.

Anyone know if the stock HD clutch will work any better with the ATF??

Tech guys?

[trmn8r]

I've seen references in the past to using ATF in the primary with standard HD discs so as far as I know you can... dont remember ever reading that it made as big difference for anybody else as 8's glowing remarmks... sure got me to wondering though. I never really felt I had a bad clutch feel, but now I have to wonder how much better it could it be?


:gaah: thanks a lot :eyeball8:

[y2k king]

whatta ya think george?

[trmn8r]

whatta ya think george?

and should we use dyno or syn ATF? :stirpot:

[vafatboy]

I just switched the other day to B&M Trick Shift ATF Syn on the advise from swimneked while repairing the compensator nut.

My first impression was, why isn't ATF the recommended fluid!!! It felt like a totally different transmission had been installed and an upgrade at that.

Stock clutch with SE spring.

[trmn8r]

allright that does it... one more glowing review of ATF Syn or otherwise here and I'm going to be out there at the crack of dawn in the morning putting it in my primary. Ah who am I kidding, my curiosity level is to high, I'll be stopping and getting a quart of it on the way home no matter if anybody else recomends it or not now. :whistling:

so much for that 3 day old quart of mobile 1 I just put in!

[475wildey]

I run Stolichnaya in all 3 holes



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:shooter:

[trmn8r]

I run Stolichnaya in all 3 holes



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:shooter:



Hope your running it in all of
http://www.doofclenas.com/forums/image.php?u=86&dateline=1178464596 <<those holes... help sterilize things... thats just nasty

[Highmiles]

I just switched the other day to B&M Trick Shift ATF Syn on the advise from swimneked while repairing the compensator nut.

My first impression was, why isn't ATF the recommended fluid!!! It felt like a totally different transmission had been installed and an upgrade at that.

Stock clutch with SE spring.

I run a stock clutch on my Roadking and agree completely with the above. With B&M trickshift, there is no clutch drag, and a very positive clutch hookup. It stands to reason that if this stuff was designed specifically for wet clutches, it should work better for our bikes. I'll never use anything else.

Highmiles

[Stone Cold]

I run a stock clutch on my Roadking and agree completely with the above. With B&M trickshift, there is no clutch drag, and a very positive clutch hookup. It stands to reason that if this stuff was designed specifically for wet clutches, it should work better for our bikes. I'll never use anything else.

Highmiles


Where would one get this miracle fluid??

[vafatboy]

Where would one get this miracle fluid??

Here is a link to their dealers.


http://www.bmracing.com/index.php?id=dealers&catid=1&country=California

[trmn8r]

I cant imagine that most Auto Zone/Advance Auto type stores don't carry it. For sure any speed shop in your area that specializes in hot rod auto parts will have it.

[vafatboy]

Got mine at Advanced Auto Parts, didn't know if there are any in California..

[Highmiles]

Where would one get this miracle fluid??

I get mine at Advance Auto, along with Mobil 1 V-Twin 20-50. I think I will be changing to Amsoil for my engine on my next change, to support George.

Highmiles

[trmn8r]

OK its done deal. picked up a quart on the way home last night. changed it this a.m. Is it any better? Maybe hard to say, I never really had any true complaints about my clutch so its hard for me to say for sure.

I can say this much. at 10000 miles I went to plain ole Mobile 1 15-50 auto oil in the motor and primary... I know those in the know say it has to much of some type of friction inhibitor or something to use in a wet clutch. There are also those in the know who (forget the web sight some oil testing sight.. I'm sure someone knows the URL) have tested it and other oils and say the Mobile 1 V-Twin oil actually has more of these friction inhibitors in it so??? Anyway after my last oil change and again putting the 15-50 mobile 1 in the primary... maybe 3 times its seemed to me the clutch didn't hook up good when pulling hard in second gear...I would hear the motor reving higher faster than the bike was pulling. Only did it three times that I ever heard or felt. This morning after going to the B&M Trickshift synthetic I tried to duplicate that and couldn't. Was I imagining it before and it never happened? maybe but I don't think so. All I know for sure is I couldn't make it happen today.
So I at least feel better about it.

[8-Ball]

OK its done deal. picked up a quart on the way home last night. changed it this a.m. Is it any better? Maybe hard to say, I never really had any true complaints about my clutch so its hard for me to say for sure.

I can say this much. at 10000 miles I went to plain ole Mobile 1 15-50 auto oil in the motor and primary... I know those in the know say it has to much of some type of friction inhibitor or something to use in a wet clutch. There are also those in the know who (forget the web sight some oil testing sight.. I'm sure someone knows the URL) have tested it and other oils and say the Mobile 1 V-Twin oil actually has more of these friction inhibitors in it so??? Anyway after my last oil change and again putting the 15-50 mobile 1 in the primary... maybe 3 times its seemed to me the clutch didn't hook up good when pulling hard in second gear...I would hear the motor reving higher faster than the bike was pulling. Only did it three times that I ever heard or felt. This morning after going to the B&M Trickshift synthetic I tried to duplicate that and couldn't. Was I imagining it before and it never happened? maybe but I don't think so. All I know for sure is I couldn't make it happen today.
So I at least feel better about it.

I'd go with that... the alternative is less calming.

My problem was starting from a dead stop, especially 2 up. I could romp it and it would be okay, but getting a smooth and gradual roll from a stop wasn't happening. It would be lurchy... no matter what I tried.

With the Amsoil ATF the roll on is just smooth and positive. Huge difference for me.

My ass is fat, your experience may vary.

[Keeper]

Isn't the Amsoil ATF 0 - 20W ?

[8-Ball]

Isn't the Amsoil ATF 0 - 20W ?

I just checked the bottle... it doesn't give a weight. Dexron III synthetic along with some other equivalents.

[Keeper]

I just checked the bottle... it doesn't give a weight. Dexron III synthetic along with some other equivalents.


Found this link while reading up on ATF

http://www.pecuniary.com/newsletters/drivetrain-fluids.html

I was surprised when I read this. I figured it was thicker.

ATF Viscosity Characteristics
Product SAE Viscosity

Dexron II & Type F 5W-20

Dexron III, Mercon V & ATF Plus 4 0W-20

Caterpillar Powershift 10W, 30 & 50

[trmn8r]

the B&M TrickShift did look a little thin... got some on my hands it sure felt slick! A nice pretty blue color as well... that was a suprise... being ATF I was expecting red.

Went for another ride a bit ago, decided it must be doing a better job of lettting the clutch disengage when I pull the lever. I always put in it neutral before I kill it. Start it, pull the clutch and click into first. Used to it always had a pretty loud thunk as it went into first. I guess it was because the clutch was not letting go good, the oil causing some stickiness between the plates maybe. Now when I go into first its virtually silent. Also when shifting between gears its seems quieter... I guess for the same reason, the clutch plates are seperating and the oil film is not causing the plates to still effect each other.

I am now quite impressed with the change it has made.

[8-Ball]

I would think the clunk or not to clunk would be more the gear oil.

Anyone care to explain why slippery fluid between these plates actually causes them to grip?

I know it has something to do with sheer and the slipperyness keeps the plates from getting too hot. But if they slip too much, then they get hot and fry. It is a big mystery to me.

[trmn8r]

I've run Mobile 1 synthetic 75-140 gear lube in the tranny since the first time I changed it. That made the shifting a little quieter than with whatever factory had in it. Yesterday with Moble 1 oil in primary and mobile 1 gear lube in tranny CLUNK going into first and audible noise between every gear... now only change is to B&M Trickshift in primary and its completely different. I cant explain it any better than I tried in the last post but it "just is" :blink:

[Highmiles]

Possibly, the reason for the great shifting, is that all ATF is designed to lubricate gears, and improve friction in the clutch pack at the same time. It is also designed to cary heat away from the friction/stress points. What you are feeling, is the clutch pack being better lubricated, so that it disingages more freely. At the same time there are additives in the ATF that enhance clutch life and friction. It feels thin because it is also a hydraulic fluid. Because it is a fluid specifically designed for these chores, it really works great. It has to be superior over something like synthetic oil which is great in it's own right, but not designed for the application. The main reason I use Trick Shift, is that it was designed for High horsepower, and as a result will handle more heat cycles, and higher heat. It is absolutely uneccessary, and overkill, but it makes me feel better, so I do it.

Highmiles

[MegaGlide]

It is a big mystery to me.

There's a shock.
I'm mad at you, you know...:badmood:

[8-Ball]

I'm not mad at you...

[Dinero]

Here is a link to their dealers.


http://www.bmracing.com/index.php?id=dealers&catid=1&country=California

Available at Pep Boys and Western Auto as well.

[george douglas]

Possibly, the reason for the great shifting, is that all ATF is designed to lubricate gears, and improve friction in the clutch pack at the same time. It is also designed to cary heat away from the friction/stress points. What you are feeling, is the clutch pack being better lubricated, so that it disingages more freely. At the same time there are additives in the ATF that enhance clutch life and friction. It feels thin because it is also a hydraulic fluid. Because it is a fluid specifically designed for these chores, it really works great. It has to be superior over something like synthetic oil which is great in it's own right, but not designed for the application. The main reason I use Trick Shift, is that it was designed for High horsepower, and as a result will handle more heat cycles, and higher heat. It is absolutely uneccessary, and overkill, but it makes me feel better, so I do it.

Highmiles

You made a decent post until you made the statement that synthetic ATF wasn't designed for these chores. To make a good wet clutch oil it has no bearing whether it is dino based or synthetic based. It is all in the additives for the most part. I may have mis-understood what you meant, but many folks seem to think since it is synthetic it must be too slippery. This is another myth.

[trmn8r]

Possibly, the reason for the great shifting, is that all ATF is designed to lubricate gears, and improve friction in the clutch pack at the same time. It is also designed to cary heat away from the friction/stress points. What you are feeling, is the clutch pack being better lubricated, so that it disingages more freely. At the same time there are additives in the ATF that enhance clutch life and friction. It feels thin because it is also a hydraulic fluid. Because it is a fluid specifically designed for these chores, it really works great. It has to be superior over something like synthetic oil which is great in it's own right, but not designed for the application. The main reason I use Trick Shift, is that it was designed for High horsepower, and as a result will handle more heat cycles, and higher heat. It is absolutely uneccessary, and overkill, but it makes me feel better, so I do it.

Highmiles

You made a decent post until you made the statement that synthetic ATF wasn't designed for these chores. To make a good wet clutch oil it has no bearing whether it is dino based or synthetic based. It is all in the additives for the most part. I may have mis-understood what you meant, but many folks seem to think since it is synthetic it must be too slippery. This is another myth.

I thought he was saying that ATF was designed for these chores.

unless your referring to his last sentance where he says its unnecessary and overkill... there I think he's just referring to the Trick Shift being overkill... more than needed... that maybe standard ATF would be fine.

all I know is I am glad I tried it I am happy with the results.

[Highmiles]

You made a decent post until you made the statement that synthetic ATF wasn't designed for these chores. To make a good wet clutch oil it has no bearing whether it is dino based or synthetic based. It is all in the additives for the most part. I may have mis-understood what you meant, but many folks seem to think since it is synthetic it must be too slippery. This is another myth.


George,

I mentioned synthetic OIL but I'm not aware of any statements I made with regard to synthetic ATF.

Highmiles

[Keeper]

Thanks guys. Makes complete sense now.

[george douglas]

George,

I mentioned synthetic OIL but I'm not aware of any statements I made with regard to synthetic ATF.

Highmiles

Like I said in my post that I may have mis-understood and indeed I did. I read it to fast and I apologize. When you said synthetic oil I thought you was still referring to ATF, but was in fact referring to using a synthetic motor oil in the primary. Me bad.

Now going forward with this post if anyone wants to use a synthetic ATF we have one that I sell to drag racers that is called super shift fluid and it is designed like the old type F ATF and will snap your neck back when shifting for positive clutch hook up. When Dextron came on board way back it was designed with friction modifiers so you would have a smoother clutch plate engagment, which people liked.

Just a bit of history concerning using the Amsoil 20w 50 in the primary. I have had 3 clutch feedback reports that when this fluid was used it cured the grabing clutch problems they had on new bikes that the dealer could not fix under warranty. One biker reported while on the road when a stator went out harley repaired it and serviced it with the harley fluid and the problem came back. When he got home he went back with Amsoil 20w 50 and it was fixed again. So in certain situations a fluid can make the difference.

[Keeper]

Just did the switch myself after reading all the positive posts. (Also found a small leak from the tranny output shaft.) Been using the 20-50w.

I switched to the B&M Trickshift last night for shits and giggles. I was only able to do about 25 miles so far today. Shifting is as smooth as the last oil, but that first gear clunk is gone.
Thanks for the tip.

[trmn8r]

Shifting is as smooth as the last oil, but that first gear clunk is gone.
Thanks for the tip.

Just glad to hear I'm not the only one to experience that noise going away. All my shifts are quieter in my opinion... still a click but not as loud. On a regular basis there is no click at all on some shifts, say from 2-3, next time it will click when going to from 2-3... seems dependent on what RPM I shift at. But no matter what its better than with motor oil in the primary. I personally couldn't be happier, and will not go back to motor oil in primary again, ever. :)

[george douglas]

I just made a good discovery using the Amsoil super shift ATF fluid. Since I installed this fluid the shifting is better than I thought a harley could be.

The fluid may not deserve all the credit though. The reason I changed it out was due to my primary chain tensioner came loose and I had to pull the cover off to find the missing screw so I decided to try the ATF this time. So it could be the fluid or having the chain adjusted properly or a combination of, but I have never rode a harley that the tranny operated this nice and quietly. I thought is was good before, but nothing like now.

[MegaGlide]

OK, here's another "ATF in the primary" question.
It looks like Rivera and others who recommend ATF in the primary are recommending Dexron III spec stuff. Some folks have reported good results w/ the B&M Trickshift (their Synthetic is Dexron III, their Dino stuff doesn't seem to list a spec).
I ordered the Dexron III "Universal" Syn ATF from George, and noticed that the AMSOIL "Slick Shift" (which I assume is meant to compete w/ B&M Trickshift) is a Type F.
What does it all mean in a H-D primary, if anything?
Oh, and should I wax the back of my saddlebags? :DD

[trmn8r]

trying to remember back to my old hotrodding days... seems it was ok to run Dexron III in a ford that called for Type F but not Type F in a GM that called for Dexron III.

That all really counts for nothing I suppose... cause I could have it backwards, or upside down or something.

Probably be fine... saw over on V-Twinforum that George ran Amsoil ATF in his primary with success, I'm assuming it was the same as he sold you.

edit..... well duh he not only said it there, he said it right above your post here... still bet its the same stuff he sold you.

[YankeeBob]

trying to remember back to my old hotrodding days... seems it was ok to run Dexron III in a ford that called for Type F but not Type F in a GM that called for Dexron III.

That all really counts for nothing I suppose... cause I could have it backwards, or upside down or something.



Yep, got it backwards. Type F could go in GM or Chrysler, but not Dextron in Ford.

[MegaGlide]

Yep, looks like he answered my question before I asked it.
Damn, that guy is GOOD!
I gotta quit skimming...

[8-Ball]

trying to remember back to my old hotrodding days... seems it was ok to run Dexron III in a ford that called for Type F but not Type F in a GM that called for Dexron III.

That all really counts for nothing I suppose... cause I could have it backwards, or upside down or something.

Probably be fine... saw over on V-Twinforum that George ran Amsoil ATF in his primary with success, I'm assuming it was the same as he sold you.

edit..... well duh he not only said it there, he said it right above your post here... still bet its the same stuff he sold you.

Does this sound like a Doof or what... you may be wearing the wrong skins... just sayin'..

[Xkvator]

I stopped in Advance Auto Friday, to pick up some AC filters & saw the B&M syn. - $7.00 - so i picked up a qt. - put it in Sunday - only got in about 20 miles, as i had other stuff to do...

[Jonas]

I called George today and ordered Amsoil AT fluid, 20-50 oil , premix for the dirt bikes and cablelube.
George was very helpful on the phone and answered all my question. I will post my opnions of the AT fluid.

These will be the first Amsoil products I have purchased. I normally use the screamin eagel syn everywhere.

[Q-Dog]

OK...you boys have got me interested.
I'm swapping out.

...I'll get back to y'all with a full report!

[duhast]

OK...you boys have got me interested.
I'm swapping out.

...I'll get back to y'all with a full report!

Make a better review than Gray's of your sauce.....

[Q-Dog]

Make a better review than Gray's of your sauce.....

Verbosity is what you seek?
So be it......

[Deejay]

OK.... with all the great results, I switched to B&M Trick Shift ATF Syn on Sunday. You guys weren't kidding.
The 'thunk' is gone going from neutral to first, and finding neutral is easier than ever. The only thing I have
to add to the mix, is that I also drained and filled the tranny with Amsoil 75W-110 Severe Gear.... so which
one eliminated the 'thunk'???

[trmn8r]

OK.... with all the great results, I switched to B&M Trick Shift ATF Syn on Sunday. You guys weren't kidding.
The 'thunk' is gone going from neutral to first, and finding neutral is easier than ever. The only thing I have
to add to the mix, is that I also drained and filled the tranny with Amsoil 75W-110 Severe Gear.... so which
one eliminated the 'thunk'???

I wasn't running amsoil so its not a perfect comparison, but I was allready running Mobile 1 75-140 synthetic gear lube. I still had the "thunk" till I went to Trick Shift in the primary.

To be honest I still get a click sometimes.. it seems that all the stars have to align perfectly and the temp has to be right for it to be silent going into first like it was that first day. I haven't completely figured out all the variables and suspect I never will, sometimes its quieter than others... but its ALWAYS quieter than it was with motor oil in the primary. Shifts between all other gears are quieter as well.

[Q-Dog]

OK.... with all the great results, I switched to B&M Trick Shift ATF Syn on Sunday. You guys weren't kidding.
The 'thunk' is gone going from neutral to first, and finding neutral is easier than ever. The only thing I have
to add to the mix, is that I also drained and filled the tranny with Amsoil 75W-110 Severe Gear.... so which
one eliminated the 'thunk'???

Deej...I've got the Amsoil Severe Gear 75-90 in the tranny now.
It thunks...
I'm guessin' it was the ATF.

[Jonas]

I called George today and ordered Amsoil AT fluid, 20-50 oil , premix for the dirt bikes and cablelube.
George was very helpful on the phone and answered all my question. I will post my opnions of the AT fluid.

These will be the first Amsoil products I have purchased. I normally use the screamin eagel syn everywhere.

I ordered yesterday UPS just dropped off. That is fast

[Red Rider]

I have Mobil 1 synthetic ATF in the primary, don't know if it is really any quieter shifting, but one thing is for sure, I can find neutral no problem. I'd like to give the B&M or Amsoil a try to see if it will quiet some of the clunk.

[GrayRider]

Alright,..against my better judgement,...I just changed to the "Trick Shift." I'll report further, after some miles.

[Highmiles]

Alright,..against my better judgement,...I just changed to the "Trick Shift." I'll report further, after some miles.

We actually all got together and made this stuff up for the post. Let us know if it actually works. Glad you fell for it.

Highmiles

[GrayRider]

We actually all got together and made this stuff up for the post. Let us know if it actually works. Glad you fell for it.

Highmiles
Drat!

[MegaGlide]

Yeah, I just got mine in from George, but haven't changed it yet.
Let me know if you get that clanging and metalic grinding I read about on another board...

[Highmiles]

he, he, he, that Gray. What a doof. He'll try anything

Highmiles

[MegaGlide]

To make it easier to track down those pesky oil leaks, I'm running Buttery Flavored Crisco in my engine. Warmup is kinda rough, but it turns this pretty yellow after the bike cooks down, and you can trace it back to the source.
A real time saver.

[8-Ball]

To make it easier to track down those pesky oil leaks, I'm running Buttery Flavored Crisco in my engine. Warmup is kinda rough, but it turns this pretty yellow after the bike cooks down, and you can trace it back to the source.
A real time saver.

I think I tried some of that at Buca di Beppo the other night... tasty AND telling...

[Q-Dog]

We actually all got together and made this stuff up for the post. Let us know if it actually works. Glad you fell for it.

Highmiles

To make it easier to track down those pesky oil leaks, I'm running Buttery Flavored Crisco in my engine. Warmup is kinda rough, but it turns this pretty yellow after the bike cooks down, and you can trace it back to the source.
A real time saver.

OK....taking the Boss' lead I drained everything and went with used Canola Oil from my Deep Fryer at the shop.
All 3 holes.
Now the Mistress smells like french fries at 65mph.
Gives new meaning to Potato Potato Potato......

[Highmiles]

OK....taking the Boss' lead I drained everything and went with used Canola Oil from my Deep Fryer at the shop.
All 3 holes.
Now the Mistress smells like french fries at 65mph.
Gives new meaning to Potato Potato Potato......

:roflback: :roflback: :roflback:

Highmiles

[YankeeBob]

Hey, HighMiles....I like your bike!!



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[16X9 Shooter]

You guys were separated at birth, right?

[dynageno]

I went to Kragen and found the B&M trick shift today. Tomorrow I will get the bike heated up and then drain out the old HD stuff. I'll be back with a full update as to how good or not good it works.

[SeaHag]

I've been using Dexron III ATF for the past three years with my stock clutch and SE spring. This spring I went with Walmarts Supertech ATF, and it doesn't seem as smooth shifting as it was in the past. I think I'll pick up some of that trickshift stuff tomorrow. I have an advance auto and autozone within two miles of home I can check at.

Funny how I was just reading another ATF thread over on HTT last night and everyone was raving about this 'trickshift' stuff...never heard of it before and now twice in two days.

[Highmiles]

Hey, HighMiles....I like your bike!!



http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f27/YankeeBob1234/DSC01585.jpg


I've got the driver's backrest too, just not in pic. Big difference in pics. You apparently wash yours. LOL

Highmiles

[dynageno]

Changed out my primary fluid today and added the B&M trick shift. I really am having a hard time feeling any difference, I may have to ride it awhile. On a positive note, shifting through the gears seemed pretty smooth.:blink:

[Jonas]

Changed out my primary fluid today and added the B&M trick shift. I really am having a hard time feeling any difference, I may have to ride it awhile. On a positive note, shifting through the gears seemed pretty smooth.:blink:

I did my last night. I used the AMSOIL Super Shift. Changed the tranny motor to Amsoil 20W 50 and even installed an AMSOIL chrome oil filter. Hows that for sponsor support? I did not ride the bike last night. I had to drink beer while doing the service, so I figured I would wait. I took it for a short ride tonight. It defenilty shifts smoother. And as others have said, finding neutral is much easier. So far I give the switch two thumbs up

[GrayRider]

Improved? .....Possibly slightly. WOW?....hardly. :rolleyes:

[trmn8r]

your just a lucky one that had a swell shifting tranny before the change, :) why you gotta be dissen those that see an improvement? :roflback:

[dynageno]

I put a couple hundred miles on the Dyna yesterday with the new B&M trick shift. Overall I am impressed on how smooth the shifting up and down the gears is. Even neutral is easier to find, but at the price of 10 bucks, I don't know how often I will use it!:coffee:

[8-Ball]

Improved? .....Possibly slightly. WOW?....hardly. :rolleyes:

Did you ride two up?... This is where the WOW factor is in my opinion...

[SeaHag]

I put a couple hundred miles on the Dyna yesterday with the new B&M trick shift. Overall I am impressed on how smooth the shifting up and down the gears is. Even neutral is easier to find, but at the price of 10 bucks, I don't know how often I will use it!:coffee:

All I could find at Advance auto was the synthetic B&M and it was only $6.00 and change here.

[dynageno]

Thats the stuff, I paid too much!

[LittleBear]

Thats the stuff, I paid too much!

You seem to be doing that a lot lately Geno.

[dynageno]

What you trying to say Littlebear?

[LittleBear]

Rocket Fuel













Just sayin'

[Woody218]

I drained the primary and put in the B&M Trickshift fluid. Man, what a difference! My transmission shifts like warm butter, and like 8-Ball says, riding 2-up it's really noticable how much smoother the clutch engagement is.

[Q-Dog]

Slight...and I mean slight improvement.
Still clunky.:badmood:

[8-Ball]

maybe the difference isn't as noticeable on puny builds... just sayin'...

[Q-Dog]

...bite me.:coffee:

[SeaHag]

Just a little update. Had my first chance to ride my bike since I changed out the cheapo Walmart Supertech ATF for the B&M TrickShift synthetic.

It is definitely a significant improvement over the walmart crap, but last year I had run Mobil 1 synthetic ATF, which was about the same....There is several months between those experiences though, so I can't be certain, but I 'think' the TrickShift works just a little better/smoother than the Mobil 1.

When I say better, I mean that the tranny seems to slide into gear easier, and there is noticeably less audible 'clunk/click' when dropping into gears.

[MegaGlide]

Went to AMSOIL Universal ATF (Dexron III Spec) in the primary and Severe Gear 75W90 in the tranny last night. Only got the requisite "check for leaks" ride in last night, but the tranny action seems a little more "cushioned" when shifting. Definately different than the Syn 3.
I'll have more after I beat on it a bit.

[duhast]

Not much difference that I can tell with the TrickShift, no 2-up riding yet....though I do think shifting is a little more "snicky". Oh...neutral does seem very easy to find.

[kenhorse]

has anybody tried in a sportster yet? i am running amsoil 20-50 right now. i have also run gear oil 75-140 or some such b.s. honestly the gear oil worked better than the 20-50.

[dynageno]

Drained the trick shift out and went back to HD primary fluid. Much quieter!!!

[Red Rider]

Good info.

Anyone know if the stock HD clutch will work any better with the ATF??

Tech guys?

I use Mobil 1 ATF in the primary with a stock clutch and it works very well. Smooth as butter.

[MegaGlide]

I switched to AMSOIL 75w90 after a dyno session with the ATF. Clutch is much happier.

[YankeeBob]

I use Mobil 1 ATF in the primary with a stock clutch and it works very well. Smooth as butter.

Same here. Only with a VPC. So far, so good. Shifts smooth, no more "clunk", no slippage.
No reason to change back.....yet!

[Clayvis]

Is the B&M Original Trick Shift synthetic, or is there a different flavor that is? I put the "original" in my primary and did not notice any real change. That was the only B&M product that my local Autozone carries. Just confused about if there are 2 types or not, and how much difference it would make.

[Deejay]

The original Trick Shift is not synthetic. I bought the synthetic from Baxter Auto Parts since AutoZone was out.
Can't tell you the difference though..... I've never used the original.

[Infidel!]

I tried it once. Took it out a week later, it didn't feel right.

[dynageno]

I saw two different ones and bought the syn, but took it out a month later.

[Nowhereman]

A wet clutch pack works just like the clutch packs in an automatic tranny.
What do auto trannys use?
A syn ATF will keep everything running smooth and stick free.
It also does great anti wear things for your primary chain.:coffee:

[Clayvis]

OK guys, thanks for clearing this up for me. Last night I was at a bike event, and there was an Amsoil guy there. He had a bottle of the Super Shift ATF. So I bought it. Will be putting it in soon. The dealer warned me not to do it. He said it has friction modifiers blah blah...Told him I'll let him know if my clutch doesn't like it. If it f's it up then I'll have an excuse to buy a performance clutch! (which I know will like it)

[FXDRYDR]

I just installed an Energy One extra-disk clutch and filled the primary with Redline MTL. Then I realized MTL is synthetic and the instructions with the clutch said not to use syn because it can cause slippage.

I took it for a ride anyway and got on it. Sure enough, a bit of slippage despite SE spring and VPC. So... changed out to Type "F" ATF as recommended and went for another ride. No slippage. I'm sold. Instructions said B&M trickshift is good too, so maybe I'll try that next time.

Bike's an '03 FXD.

[Clayvis]

Well, I've decided to take the ATF out of my primary. I gave B&M Trick Shift a try. I liked the way it made the clutch feel, but the primary noise increased. I have an 07 with the factory auto chain tensioner. It seems to be keeping the chain tight, but man it's noisy. So I'm going back to thick stuff in there to quiet it down until I can replace the pos tensioner with something quieter. (Maybe I should just take the baffels out of my pipes....!)

[nvsteve]

Well, I've decided to take the ATF out of my primary. I gave B&M Trick Shift a try. I liked the way it made the clutch feel, but the primary noise increased. I have an 07 with the factory auto chain tensioner. It seems to be keeping the chain tight, but man it's noisy. So I'm going back to thick stuff in there to quiet it down until I can replace the pos tensioner with something quieter. (Maybe I should just take the baffels out of my pipes....!)
I had the exact same issue with Trick Shift in my 07. Went back to 20-50 and the whine is way less.

['05Train]

I just put Amsoil ATF into the primary, and I gotta say I'm pleased. I did their gear lube in the tranny as well, and it shifts way smoother.