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Old 01-27-2010, 08:49 PM
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The SE Hybrid plate uses the existing Morse chain to connect the cams together on the inboard side of the plate, and it you have a 99-01 bike you have to use your old Morse chain on the outside as well (although there are workarounds here). Lots of folks think these chains were to blame for the high rate of wear with the old system,and are concerned they might wear the new style tensioners faster than the roller chains do. With the Herko kit you get the same type setup as the 06-later Dynas, and 07 later other engines, meaning no Morse chains. If you are doing the work yourself you won't have to press outer bearings into the cam plate because there are none, so you might save some in tool cost.
What kind of cams does the Herko kit use?
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What kind of cams does the Herko kit use?


....haven't looked into it that far yet but I provided a link to Herko (John)...give him a call...he's a stand up guy & from what I understand his kits are very reasonable. They are raved about on Harley Tech Talk as well as his other services.
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....haven't looked into it that far yet but I provided a link to Herko (John)...give him a call...he's a stand up guy & from what I understand his kits are very reasonable. They are raved about on Harley Tech Talk as well as his other services.
It almost has to be something akin to the Andrews N cams in order to fit the case bearing journals.

I like the fact that the SE plate would allow me to retain the investment in the 37B cams I already bought. I agree that the chains were guilty of wearing the old tensioners, but a lot of that has to do with the constant and very heavy tension on them. The oil-fed hydro tensioners should not be anywhere near as hard on the tensioner shoe material.
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It almost has to be something akin to the Andrews N cams in order to fit the case bearing journals.

I like the fact that the SE plate would allow me to retain the investment in the 37B cams I already bought. I agree that the chains were guilty of wearing the old tensioners, but a lot of that has to do with the constant and very heavy tension on them. The oil-fed hydro tensioners should not be anywhere near as hard on the tensioner shoe material.

Your reasoning seems solid. In your case I might go for it. I still encourage you to call John just for the hell of it. I "met" him on Harley Tech Talk and a friend of mine has done business with him. I spoke with him about a tuning question I had relating to my TTS MASTERTUNE and he was helpful.
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It almost has to be something akin to the Andrews N cams in order to fit the case bearing journals.

I like the fact that the SE plate would allow me to retain the investment in the 37B cams I already bought. I agree that the chains were guilty of wearing the old tensioners, but a lot of that has to do with the constant and very heavy tension on them. The oil-fed hydro tensioners should not be anywhere near as hard on the tensioner shoe material.
BTW...Whenever I get around to doing cams in my dyna...those 37s are definitely on my short list. My Buddy runs 37s in his 2001 Dyna and that puppy has some nice upper end. I like the 26s in my FLH and they are probably the other one I'd look at. Anyway...good luck to ya !
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There's a lot of good info here, I'll have to do some more research. The Andrews setup sounds logical but man, thats a long laundry list of HD parts required, plus the special cams...I don't know, sounds pricey. More research of course.

The new (later) shoes are made of better material, eh? Does anyone offer direct replacements for the originals that are made of the better material? Do any of the hydraulic setups NOT require new cams & oil pump?
I HAVE decided one thing thanks to the above info...I'm NOT going to just let it ride; I will at the very least replace the tensioners with new OEM.

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Your reasoning seems solid. In your case I might go for it. I still encourage you to call John just for the hell of it. I "met" him on Harley Tech Talk and a friend of mine has done business with him. I spoke with him about a tuning question I had relating to my TTS MASTERTUNE and he was helpful.
I probably have another 30-40K before I go into it again, but I'll keep this in mind.
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Does anyone offer direct replacements for the originals that are made of the better material?]
I looked when I was preparing to do mine and could not find anything. I have noticed HD keeps upping the price on them though, so maybe someone will eventually put something on the market.
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Andrews sells complete conversion cam kits, so you don't have to run to the dealer with the shopping list..

1999-2001: P/N 288999
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This does not include the cams.

Here's the updated Andrews conversion .pdf....

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I'm mulling the hydraulic thing as well. Gonna go talk to an engine guy tomorrow regarding the pros and cons of gears vs. hydraulic.

One more thing: here's an magazine article describing the conversion..

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So far, it looks like there are essentially two ways to go; either spend 200 bux to remain all stock with fresh junk tensioners... OR, spend 850+ to convert to either hydraulic & cams or gears & cams. Maybe theres a middle ground? You know, upgraded tensioners keep the old cams or similar. Still hoping.
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The SE upgrade including the spacer would be about $360 and change shipped from Jenni. While it does use the original chains on the 01 I think it's a good upgrade. Uses the better material shoes and I think its very reasonable that removing the pressure on the tensioners when you stop will go a long way toward eliminating the problem. Still just a guess though. I just did it on my RK if it's any consolation.
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The 07 & up stock plate & hydralic tensioner set-up is a good upgrade. I heard many builders say it is just fine, and is much cheaper than the S.E. plate. You still need the conversion cams.
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