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Old 07-14-2010, 05:02 PM
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Used oil analysis

So I sent an oil sample from the BSL to Blackstone Labs for analysis. There's an awful lot of (what I consider) BS on the various Harley forums about what sort of oil you "should" use, and how often it needs to be changed. And then there's the whole "oh noes, it runs so HOT" thing. I'm hoping to put all that to rest.

I was in a hurry, so I drained the oil cold. I think that explains some of the high mineral counts. The oil was in for 5,600 miles, and took me to Eureka Springs and back, as well as to Florida and back. There was an awful lot of highway running, a good thousand + miles of high rpm backroad riding, and the remainder was commuting (and being stuck in traffic) and normal cruising. The oil was in the motor for less than 4 weeks. Ambient temperatures ranged from the low 80s to 105. My air filter was filthy, so I think that explains the elevated silicon number.

I'm a little concerned about the viscosity rise, but I'll wait for my next sample to start panicking. George, if you're out there, I'd love to hear your take on this.
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:09 PM
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:18 PM
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Awesome. I was thinking it looked more like chocolate syrup, just needed clarification for when I drop the Amsoil out of my bike.
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my stuff just comes out of the side of the transmission so its hard to gather up.....
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So I sent an oil sample from the BSL to Blackstone Labs for analysis. There's an awful lot of (what I consider) BS on the various Harley forums about what sort of oil you "should" use, and how often it needs to be changed. And then there's the whole "oh noes, it runs so HOT" thing. I'm hoping to put all that to rest.

I was in a hurry, so I drained the oil cold. I think that explains some of the high mineral counts. The oil was in for 5,600 miles, and took me to Eureka Springs and back, as well as to Florida and back. There was an awful lot of highway running, a good thousand + miles of high rpm backroad riding, and the remainder was commuting (and being stuck in traffic) and normal cruising. The oil was in the motor for less than 4 weeks. Ambient temperatures ranged from the low 80s to 105. My air filter was filthy, so I think that explains the elevated silicon number.

I'm a little concerned about the viscosity rise, but I'll wait for my next sample to start panicking. George, if you're out there, I'd love to hear your take on this.
Russ,
This is a good sample as wear is way below what the universal averages are according to Blackstone. I suspect the viscosity increase is due to oxidation and nitration that this lab does not have the equipment to test for. Oxidation and nitration can be caused from fuel air mixture and if the filter was starting to be restrictive due to dirt this would affect the air fuel mixture and drive up viscosity or it could be computer generated if your bike is fuel injected. You put the oil through the test and it was still protecting very well. I am also concerned with how high the zinc was since it was slightly higher than when it came out of the bottle. Since Blackstone is not a certified lab I wonder when the last time their test equipment was calibrated. Let me know if you have further questions.
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FWIW, I was an aircraft mechanic in the Navy, working on air-cooled, radial, gasoline engines. Oil sampling was part of our routine. The Navy wanted the sample ASAP after engine shutdown, to minimize settling or separation of whatever might be in the oil.

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russ, I would take george up on his offer on the other side of his lab.
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This is a good sample as wear is way below what the universal averages are according to Blackstone. I suspect the viscosity increase is due to oxidation and nitration that this lab does not have the equipment to test for. Oxidation and nitration can be caused from fuel air mixture and if the filter was starting to be restrictive due to dirt this would affect the air fuel mixture and drive up viscosity or it could be computer generated if your bike is fuel injected. You put the oil through the test and it was still protecting very well. I am also concerned with how high the zinc was since it was slightly higher than when it came out of the bottle. Since Blackstone is not a certified lab I wonder when the last time their test equipment was calibrated. Let me know if you have further questions.
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George, if you would, let me know what lab you recommend, and how to get a sample kit from them. I'll probably be ready for my next oil change within the next 2-3 weeks.

Like I said, I got lazy with the oil change (and it was damn hot that day) and didn't run the bike before I took the sample. It won't happen again.
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George, if you would, let me know what lab you recommend, and how to get a sample kit from them. I'll probably be ready for my next oil change within the next 2-3 weeks.

Like I said, I got lazy with the oil change (and it was damn hot that day) and didn't run the bike before I took the sample. It won't happen again.
When ready give me a call and I will order them for you. They cost $25.00each, which includes the postage both ways and it is also a certified lab. Amsoil uses the same labs even though they have their own, as they don't want anyone to percieve that the lab results could be compromised coming from their lab. Who have you been getting your oil from? Also the way you took your sample is no problem and didn't have any affect on the readings. It is always best to take a warm sample, but in your case I don't think it mattered. I just sent in a sample from my airplane and I did it cold and actually drained the used oil from the cooler.
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When ready give me a call and I will order them for you. They cost $25.00each, which includes the postage both ways and it is also a certified lab. Amsoil uses the same labs even though they have their own, as they don't want anyone to percieve that the lab results could be compromised coming from their lab. Who have you been getting your oil from? Also the way you took your sample is no problem and didn't have any affect on the readings. It is always best to take a warm sample, but in your case I don't think it mattered. I just sent in a sample from my airplane and I did it cold and actually drained the used oil from the cooler.
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With the exception of what was in the bike when it was delivered from Harley, every drop of fluid and every ounce of grease in that bike is Amsoil purchased from you. I am extremely happy with the products and your service.

With the Polaris test kits, can I collect the sample at the drain plug, or do they want it siphoned out of the fill tube?
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With the exception of what was in the bike when it was delivered from Harley, every drop of fluid and every ounce of grease in that bike is Amsoil purchased from you. I am extremely happy with the products and your service.

With the Polaris test kits, can I collect the sample at the drain plug, or do they want it siphoned out of the fill tube?
Russ, I guess I have to many customers or getting too old not to remember your business. Me bad. If you use the drain plug you need to let it run for a little before you stick your bottle under it to catch the fluid. This allows some of the potential trash to run out first.
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OK, that's how I did it the last time. I kept the dipstick in place to slow the flow out, let it drain for around 10 seconds, then took the sample.

I'll give you a call tomorrow and get the sample kit ordered.
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