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Old 08-12-2008, 12:04 PM
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Well if you go back and read and believe the facts provided it says he was blind sided and beaten which put him at risk for possible loosing his weapon and therefore it couldve become a deadly force situation...
then again, most departments have policy's prohibiting off duty carry in establishments selling liquor which could be overlooked if the shooter wanst intoxicated...
if he was he could be screwed whether he was right or wrong
Uh huh.

How much you want to bet the "witness" was another cop?!
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Old 08-12-2008, 12:11 PM
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Old 08-12-2008, 12:27 PM
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Bottom line, he's still alive to defend his actions.
I'll take tried by 12 over carried by 6 every time.
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I'll take tried by 12 over carried by 6 every time.
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Sounds like the IPs were being pr1cks and the HAs were not going to take it.
I have noticed that the no colors policy does not apply to Blue Knights or Iron Pigs at rallies. Seem a little discriminatory to me, after all, cops are gang members.

Don't get me wrong, cops have a tough job and I respect them and would not want to do their job, but some take the power trip too far. Bad apples in every group, human nature.
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Bottom line, he's still alive to defend his actions.
I'll take tried by 12 over carried by 6 every time.
True, too true, although I doubt the IPs life was in danger, just didn't like to be beat down. When they let him up for air, he opened fire.
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Read that other link... seems really likely to me the cop was out to provoke the fight.
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Bottom line is, I guess, no matter who you are, a guy with a gun probably ain't gonna take a severe beating.
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The shooter sounds like a genuine dickhead.
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On Aug. 12, 2005, he was again accused of getting into an altercation, that time at a Tacoma restaurant while off duty.

He at one point allegedly threatened to shoot the restaurant manager, who had asked him to leave.

According to internal documents, Tacoma city authorities declined to prosecute the officer, finding there was no evidence that he intended to carry out his threat, but he received a written reprimand for the incident.



Interesting. I can threaten shoot someone, while carrying a gun, but if I don't mean it, all is ok. Try that with a cop.

Still without knowing all the facts, I bet you will have a hrd time finding someone innocent in that crowd. Also I bet little will happen to the officer.
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Bottom line is, I guess, no matter who you are, a guy with a gun probably ain't gonna take a severe beating.
Except, perhaps, by another guy with a gun....
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all that cop was going to get was a beating or he would have been dead before he hit the floor

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On Aug. 12, 2005, he was again accused of getting into an altercation, that time at a Tacoma restaurant while off duty.

He at one point allegedly threatened to shoot the restaurant manager, who had asked him to leave.

According to internal documents, Tacoma city authorities declined to prosecute the officer, finding there was no evidence that he intended to carry out his threat, but he received a written reprimand for the incident.



Interesting. I can threaten shoot someone, while carrying a gun, but if I don't mean it, all is ok. Try that with a cop.
There were plenty of people innocent in that crowd, at least of that fight. Just because someone is a biker or a cop or works in a bar, doesn't make him guilty or a bad witness. If I was there, I wouldn't have seen anything.

Still without knowing all the facts, I bet you will have a hrd time finding someone innocent in that crowd. Also I bet little will happen to the officer.
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Hopefully we will eventually learn who was the instigator in this matter. It's unfair to judge either the officer or the HA member based on what we've read so far. I do though find it interesting that they are quick to point out the officer has had "issues" in the past, but they didn't say anything about the HA.

Gun's and alcohol don't mix. Cops or not, if they were drinking, then they shouldn't be carrying.
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