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Old 05-21-2014, 01:48 PM
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I've see silicone and petroleum oils inadvertently mixed to create a snot - like substance that will not disolve.

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Word of the day: "snot-like"
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My charging system went south at 68K and I went in for the stator change as it tested bad. Their were no anomalies with my old stator. It looks as good as new. No fretting, melting or breakage of any kind. When I wrapped it all up and started my scoot, it still wasn't producing current. So I went with a new HD regulator and all is well. Their was no goo or crud in my seven year old case. Whew!










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Alas, I'm fairly certain there are both goo and crud in my case.

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I thought it was more like spooge.
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Could well be dreck.


***UPDATE***

no burnt oil and no dreck.

I rode it for a while and opened it up to check it out.
No issues with clearance but I did take some measurements and there isn't much room to spare!

The clutch grip is vastly improved with a whole new feel and total confidence that it is NOT slipping.
The low speed operation is lighter than stock; it's fairly linear and controllable. when the revs go up so does the lever effort but it's OK. When ripping through the gears and shifting at 5 grand, you will KNOW that a centrifugal device is at work, because the effort is quite high. It's worth it, though, because the next gear hits like a train.

On the clearance question and thinking of the trouble that Dan (and Mike) had... I found that the critical location for interference is about an inch and a half from the bottom of the derby cover.
Using unsophisticated but hillbilly rated methods,I took some measurements.

The flyweights need 0.408" here.


The stock cover (a dash-06) has about .415 when using the O-ring. Not a lot of room. Using the paper gasket will gain 0.020".
Now we just need Dan to measure his cover (its a newer dash-11) to compare.
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Using unsophisticated but hillbilly rated methods,I took some measurements.

Now we just need Dan to measure his cover (its a newer dash-11) to compare.
But.

But.

But.

But Dan is not a hillbilly.

He's from Joisy.
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Fomula+ is about equivalent to an older GL-3 gear oil (I can't remember the source for that tidbit). I don't see any issues with using it and prefer it over a motor oil due to the differnent additive structure, sure a motor oil will work, but why not use the better product?

The stink in gear oils is sulfur and phosphorous. These are polar molecules that attach to metal and provide for extreme pressure conditions (Compensator slipping). They break off instead of metal moving. They then replenish from the fluid.

The ramps on the compensator need this bit of help.

As to the goop, could be friction polymers. The oil, when beat up bad enough, polymerizes under heavy load and heat. I see them on roller bearings that have issues. But not all that many, of course, I am looking at a sample, not the entire reservoir.

They are generally benign, unless they clog filters or impede flow. I take them as a sign to repair and stop the condition before it becomes a failure. If that is what they are and you were draining motor oil, then Formula+ was a great call. Bette suited to the conditions, and you do have tough conditions in there, based on rub marks.

I have been know to just throw a GL-5 in there. easy to find with a bit better EP properties than the GL-3 stuff, which is obsolete Downside, the sulfur compounds can damage yellow metals, but that typically occurs with worm gears, lots of sliding friction on the brass/bronze worm. We don't have that, so I go for it.

But anymore, I just tell people F+ or one of the other manufacturers primary fluids, but not ATF or motor oil.

I just don't know enough about ATF formulation to be comfortable, but my gut feel is that its time for use is past.
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Ford still runs ATF (Mercon) in the transfer case of their full size SUV's (Expedition) with the belt (?) chain like our primary chain, but I don't think there is anything in there like our newer compensator design.


Was it GL 4 or GL 5 that would "eat" the bronze /brass synchronizer /blocker rings in manual transmissions?
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The GL4 and 5 have a rather aggressive, if you will, EP package that can indeed attach yellow metals.

BUT, that is usually only an issue in sliding wear, as when gear teeth mesh, or particularly worm gears, and apparently synchronizer surfaces, which must slide against each other to work, so yeah.

A bushing riding the oil wedge seems low risk, as do insulated wires.
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