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Old 11-16-2017, 08:21 AM
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Now is probably a good time too catch NBF

Harley sales seem to be underwhelming

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They're still pretty proud of their babies at the dealer.
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Old 11-16-2017, 02:04 PM
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They do not do a good job of marketing to younger people. Older people that like motorcycles already have one or more in their garage.
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I would not buy one anytime soon. Once again Harley is using owners as guinea pigs on things that should not be happening.
1. Engine sumping. So they increased the allowable amount in the engine can keep in the cam chest, just like relaxing the crank run out a few years back.
2. Transmission fluid moving from the tranny into the primary and causing tranny failures.

Do a search, I'm not making this crap up.

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I would not buy one anytime soon. Once again Harley is using owners as guinea pigs on things that should not be happening.
1. Engine sumping. So they increased the allowable amount in the engine can keep in the cam chest, just like relaxing the crank run out a few years back.
2. Transmission fluid moving from the tranny into the primary and causing tranny failures.

Do a search, I'm not making this crap up.

Mike, have you read the SB the MOCO sent to dealers on the fluid transfer? For the 2017 and up there is no fix at this time. Monitor and adjust fluid levels every 1000 mi.

I'm sure they're informing all prospective buyers right?
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Didn't the pre '17's have double case seals to keep the fluids in the proper case?


I'll have to read my '15 RTFM closer.


I know VW had a fluid swapping issue in their Golf / Rabbit platform with auto transmissions. Because they only had one seal between the two sides. The Dasher, Bus, Ouantum had a seal for each side and a space between the two components with a weep hole to let the leak go to the ground.
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Mike, have you read the SB the MOCO sent to dealers on the fluid transfer? For the 2017 and up there is no fix at this time. Monitor and adjust fluid levels every 1000 mi.

I'm sure they're informing all prospective buyers right?
Yeah, they all do that, right...

I have not read it, but have followed some of the posts on another forum. Lots of pissed off customers. My buddy who tuned my bike and own a shop has had bikes with both failures in for repairs. Some we just out of warranty.
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Keeping my 13, thank you.
Love the color. Prefer the cable clutch.

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Yeah, keeping my 11 too. Still love the color. Don't mind the hydraulic clutch, but then I'm not a cone rider.
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Was it lifter failure?

Failed Compensator. . .here's a partial parts list.

Rotor Assembly
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Primary Drive Chain
Compensator
Roller Bearing
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I got the upgraded compensator. Oh he and fixed my fuel gauge. I had saved enough Chrome Points to replace my lower fork sliders with the fancy chrome ones. New tires and a three hole fluid change and I should be good for a little while.
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Well, I think Harley's trying, what with the new Dyna/Softail models they released this fall. I look at 'em, tho, as expensive toys, status symbols, garage fillers. Entry-level they ain't..........

Baggers are way too expensive, and the group Harley targets for those is literally dying off.

Lastly, who (save for a few) around here piles the miles on their baggers like they used to? My annual miles ridden have dropped quite a bit the last three years, to less than 11K total. I haven't made any long trips in that span, and have ridden to work a lot less, especially the last year. Point being, why buy a new bike if you ain't gonna ride it much?

The 'b' is, more likely than not, the first and last Harley I'll ever buy.......

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Yeah...all my friends within 200 miles have died.

The only one locally who I ride with is a retired CHP officer, he only invites me along so he doesn't have to ride alone.
When he gets together with a bunch of his other officer friends I'm just an unnecessary looser hang around that was only a mechanic that took care of their patrol cars.


I tend to always stay in the back of the pack, because I don't want to ever again get chewed out for throwing up sand and rocks at them.

Because that is the only way little road rocks and sand get thrown up at them is from my bike only...


But they are always shocked I ride alone for thousands of miles. Because I am meeting up with friends!
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I tend to always stay in the back of the pack, because I don't want to ever again get chewed out for throwing up sand and rocks at them.

Because that is the only way little road rocks and sand get thrown up at them is from my bike only...

They oughta follow a trike. Then they'd have something to bitch about.

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But they are always shocked I ride alone for thousands of miles. Because I am meeting up with friends!
I rode with, and told stories to, some members of a local HOG chapter this year. I'd like to think they have a hard time understanding why when I've told 'em of the miles I've ridden to meet, and ride with, friends.
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